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Self-Care and the Holistic Nature of Psychedelics, with Kaitlin Roberson & Dr. Michele Cox, DO
Psychedelics Today, episode 523: "Self-Care, Destabilization, and the Holistic Nature of Psychedelics," with Kaitlin Roberson & Dr. Michele Cox, DO
In this episode of Vital Psychedelic Conversations, David interviews Kaitlin Roberson: Vital graduate and co-founder and CEO of Cacti Therapeutics, a psychedelic biotech company developing novel therapies for chronic pain; and Dr. Michele Cox, DO: current Vital student, veteran, physician, and co-founder of LifeBloom, a brand new company focusing on bringing community and connection into women’s healthcare.
They talk about their work: Roberson’s research on trauma and chronic pain, and why she feels that working in the pharma industry is a calli...
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Vital: Student Stories
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Hear what past students are saying about Vital, our 12-month certificate program on psychedelics and psychedelic-assisted therapy. Vital 4 launches on September 17, 2024. Head to the website for more info and to apply now: www.vitalpsychedelictraining.com/
An Inside Look at the FDA and Early Drug Development, with Dr. Amanda Holley
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Psychedelics Today, episode 522: "An Inside Look at the FDA and Early Drug Development," with Dr. Amanda Holley In this episode, Joe interviews Dr. Amanda Holley: pharmacologist and regulatory consultant in nonclinical drug development, and previously a nonclinical pharmacology/toxicology reviewer at the FDA. With Lykos Therapeutics working towards FDA approval of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy fo...
Group Process and Co-Creation: How to Build a Successful Retreat, with Alice Dommert & Kara Tremain
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Psychedelics Today, episode 521: "Community, Group Process, and Co-Creation: How to Build a Successful Retreat," with Alice Dommert & Kara Tremain, ACC In this episode of Vital Psychedelic Conversations, Kyle interviews two Vital graduates: Alice Dommert: certified breathwork facilitator and co-founder of retreat company, The Infinite Center; and Kara Tremain, ACC: somatic practitioner and grow...
Eleusinian Mysteries to Modern Mysticism: Religion & the Psychedelic Experience, with Charles Stang
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Psychedelics Today, episode 520: "From the Eleusinian Mysteries to Modern Mysticism: The Role of Religion in the Psychedelic Experience," with Charles Stang In this episode, Joe interviews Charles Stang: Professor of Early Christian Thought and the Director of the Center for the Study of World Religions at Harvard Divinity School. The Center was created to gain a better understanding of world r...
Exploring Somatic Practices and Psychedelics, with Pierre Bouchard, LPC & Kara Tremain, ACC
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Psychedelics Today, episode 519: Exploring Somatic Practices and Psychedelics, with Pierre Bouchard, LPC & Kara Tremain, ACC In this episode - the first in the 2024 series of Vital Psychedelic Conversations - David interviews Pierre Bouchard, LPC: Vital instructor and lead trainer for the Congregation for Sacred Practices; and Kara Tremain, ACC: recent Vital graduate-turned-instructor, somatic ...
The EMBARK Model of Psychedelic Therapy, with Alex Belser, Ph.D. & Bill Brennan, Ph.D.
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Psychedelics Today, episode 518: The EMBARK Model of Psychedelic Therapy, with Alex Belser, Ph.D. & Bill Brennan, Ph.D. In this episode, Kyle interviews Alex Belser, Ph.D. and Bill Brennan, Ph.D.: psychologists, psychedelic researchers, authors, and co-creators of the EMBARK model, a framework for psychedelic therapy. When Belser and Brennan worked together at Cybin, they canvassed the field of...
Long COVID and Psychedelics, with MaryAnn Welke Lesage
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Psychedelics Today, episode 517: Long COVID and Psychedelics, with Monica Verduzco-Gutierrez, MD, Joel Castellanos, MD, & MaryAnn Welke Lesage In this episode, special guest host Court Wing interviews Monica Verduzco-Gutierrez, MD: professor and chair of rehabilitation medicine at UT Health San Antonio; Joel Castellanos, MD: co-founder and associate medical director of the Center for Psychedeli...
Embracing the Mystery: Making Psychedelic Literature Engaging, with Sean Lawlor
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Psychedelics Today, episode 515: Embracing the Mystery: Making Psychedelic Literature Engaging In this episode, Joe interviews Sean Lawlor: writer and therapist specializing in ketamine-assisted therapy at Reflective Healing in Fort Collins, CO. His first book, "Psychedelic Revival: Toward a New Paradigm of Healing," will be released on June 4. Written as somewhat of a primer for psychedelics a...
The Economics of Psychedelics, with Elliot Marseille, DrPH, MPP
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The Economics of Psychedelics, with Elliot Marseille, DrPH, MPP
Breaking Through Bureaucracy: Can D.C. Embrace Evidence-Based Drug Policy? with Senator Tom Daschle
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Breaking Through Bureaucracy: Can D.C. Embrace Evidence-Based Drug Policy? with Senator Tom Daschle
Depth Psychology, Archetypal Energies, and How Psychedelics Reveal the Soul, with Simon Yugler
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Depth Psychology, Archetypal Energies, and How Psychedelics Reveal the Soul, with Simon Yugler
Psychedelics as a Tool for Peacebuilding & Collective Healing, with Sami Awad & Leor Roseman, Ph.D.
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Psychedelics as a Tool for Peacebuilding & Collective Healing, with Sami Awad & Leor Roseman, Ph.D.
Secondary PTSD and Post-Retreat Family Dynamics, with Allison Wilson & Dr. Grace Blest-Hopley
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Secondary PTSD and Post-Retreat Family Dynamics, with Allison Wilson & Dr. Grace Blest-Hopley
Psychedelics in Palliative Care, and Exploring Religion and the Sacred, with William Richards, Ph.D.
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Psychedelics in Palliative Care, and Exploring Religion and the Sacred, with William Richards, Ph.D.
Music for Psychedelic Exploration, and the First 'Choose Your Own Adventure' Album, with Shahar Amit
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Music for Psychedelic Exploration, and the First 'Choose Your Own Adventure' Album, with Shahar Amit
Veterans and Operator Syndrome: Psychedelics and Redefining Pain Management, with Tommy Aceto
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Veterans and Operator Syndrome: Psychedelics and Redefining Pain Management, with Tommy Aceto
Psychedelic Education: Insights, Advice, and Where to Start, with Johanna Hilla & Kyle Buller
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Psychedelic Education: Insights, Advice, and Where to Start, with Johanna Hilla & Kyle Buller
Difficult Conversations and the Challenge of Merging Spirituality and Science, with Philip Wolf
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Difficult Conversations and the Challenge of Merging Spirituality and Science, with Philip Wolf
Bicycle Day and Studying Philosophy to Understand Psychedelic Experiences, with Lenny Gibson, Ph.D.
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Bicycle Day and Studying Philosophy to Understand Psychedelic Experiences, with Lenny Gibson, Ph.D.
Rethinking Drug Education: From Scare Tactics to an Evidence-Based Approach, with Joey Lichter
Просмотров 2292 месяца назад
Rethinking Drug Education: From Scare Tactics to an Evidence-Based Approach, with Joey Lichter
Updates from MAPS: Initiatives, Psychedelic Science 2025, and Music as a Bridge, with Devon Phillips
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Updates from MAPS: Initiatives, Psychedelic Science 2025, and Music as a Bridge, with Devon Phillips
Shulgin Farm and Psychedelic Drug Development, with Paul F. Daley, Ph.D.
Просмотров 2382 месяца назад
Shulgin Farm and Psychedelic Drug Development, with Paul F. Daley, Ph.D.
From Esalen and Millbrook to the Future of Shulgin Farm, with Maria Mangini, Ph.D., FNP
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From Esalen and Millbrook to the Future of Shulgin Farm, with Maria Mangini, Ph.D., FNP
Preserving Psychedelic Legacies: Shulgin Farm and the Shulgin Archive Project, with Keeper Trout
Просмотров 2802 месяца назад
Preserving Psychedelic Legacies: Shulgin Farm and the Shulgin Archive Project, with Keeper Trout
Women and Psychedelics, Microdosing, and the Challenges of Psychedelic Parenthood, with April Pride
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Women and Psychedelics, Microdosing, and the Challenges of Psychedelic Parenthood, with April Pride
PT499 - Osiris González Romero - Mesoamerican Psychedelics and the Concept of an Ontological Turn
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PT499 - Osiris González Romero - Mesoamerican Psychedelics and the Concept of an Ontological Turn
PT497 - Wendy Tucker - Reflections from Shulgin Farm: Legacy and the Spirit of Discovery
Просмотров 2023 месяца назад
PT497 - Wendy Tucker - Reflections from Shulgin Farm: Legacy and the Spirit of Discovery
PT496 - Juan Pablo Cappello - Maintenance Doses & Recurring Revenue: The Ethics of At-Home Ketamine
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PT496 - Juan Pablo Cappello - Maintenance Doses & Recurring Revenue: The Ethics of At-Home Ketamine
PT495 - Dr. 1Drea Pennington Wasio - Self Love, Narrative Therapy, and Post-Traumatic Growth
Просмотров 1263 месяца назад
PT495 - Dr. 1Drea Pennington Wasio - Self Love, Narrative Therapy, and Post-Traumatic Growth

Комментарии

  • @Community_Guideline_Violator
    @Community_Guideline_Violator 12 дней назад

    Ahhhh yes, “lush” Pennsylvania.

  • @Seven.Thirty
    @Seven.Thirty 16 дней назад

    I met the spider entity too! I remember the visuals were hyper-detailed and 4K as well. It was very dark and grotesque, but beautiful. During that time in my life, I was trying to be extremely positive to the point it was a detriment. The experience helped me embrace the negative and view it from a different perspective. ☯️

  • @iamzuckerburger
    @iamzuckerburger 17 дней назад

    You are a gift. 🪩 Seriously helped me cope when I was left for dead in San Francisco. Now healing. Playing this track and Limosina at every SkyTrain station 🚆 haha Thank you so much 🎵

  • @throwdealz4081
    @throwdealz4081 18 дней назад

    Feeling blessed after hearing her.

  • @lynnwatkins9760
    @lynnwatkins9760 21 день назад

    I'm thrilled o begin reading this book! Thank you Joanna for writing it. Thank you Bob and Jim and Joe for all you do in the field of psychedelics and pain ❤

  • @chirologypalmistry
    @chirologypalmistry 23 дня назад

    Wonderfully enlightening and helpful, thank you.

  • @jotcw81
    @jotcw81 24 дня назад

    This was very interesting, thank you.

  • @jasonkennedy1670
    @jasonkennedy1670 25 дней назад

    MDMA & Psilocybin are very effective. CBD/THC also effective with inflammation and headaches Megadose IV vitamin C is super effective Bicom therapy is essential also

  • @topproff2558
    @topproff2558 25 дней назад

    Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.

  • @triple_gem_shining
    @triple_gem_shining 28 дней назад

    Quantum, oooo spooky words. 😂

  • @AesthMed
    @AesthMed 29 дней назад

    This host sucks. At least act like you want to be there.

  • @sigilpop
    @sigilpop Месяц назад

    Such an amazing episode, you guys always bring up legends and generous souls. One of my favorite podcasts in Spotify!✨

  • @Joylynnfrancis
    @Joylynnfrancis Месяц назад

    My 3 boys served in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2004. Our youngest son was in Infantry and after several deployments came back as a shell of the person who left. Hes on so many drugs from the VA and he is basically a zombie. It has also affected me, his mother, being on Xanax for 20 years as I couldn’t sleep worrying about my boys. I have went from 1 mg up to 8mg over 20 years. Now tapering down but had no idea how these antidepressants, Sleep aids and benzodiazepines affect us. My doctor doesn’t even know how to deprescribe me. I had to bring the Ashton Manual which is a bit antiquated but not much information about getting off benzodiazepines. My son is going to try psilocybin on his own, he is medically retired, This scares me to death! This whole process needs to be put on the fast track so we can stop loosing these beautiful young men and women to the damages they were never prepared for. Please help! Please expedite this process! Please! 🙏🏼

  • @ShroomSleep
    @ShroomSleep Месяц назад

    SHROOMSLEEP is saying Amanita Muscaria 🍄 will break out 1st because it's already a Legal mushroom 🍄

  • @jarvishill1007
    @jarvishill1007 Месяц назад

    Thank you for the inner journey tools/experience awareness, Stan 💞. After divorce from two NBPDs & years of a variety of therapies, Jungian (an affirmation as a 3rd culture missionary child in India), coincidentally connected with you for 3 weekends & a 4th "wholeness experience, & a spontaneous cure of VA diagnosed COPD" with a study of yours. ❤ A Navy veteran (protecting religious freedom. RIGHT! Demonized, slandered, shunned from my child - protecting him - for doing Native American Sweatlodges), missionary child, NDEs, witness (knowing by experience of human ugliness & some lethal coincidental outcomes, for me "maintain integrity". Starting 10th year of solitude, with all but one bridge of trust BURNED & that one trust is Stan. Here for your birthday are outcomes of philosophical wisdom insights, your sharing opened the doors to 🥰: 1st my wife, family, country club boyfriend conspired to have me kill (money from my VA house they set up only needing my signature) on a job accident; which guiding spirits got me through a minefield that I didn't know I was in until years later. The betrayal (PTS, which I don't want to try to resolve in the next life) fails; forgiveness, acceptance, but with eclectic (shaman, Jungian, Holotropic, etc) resolved: because my wives were unable to love me, has no bearing on my ability to love them, BUT I have right to protect myself, therefore solitude 💕 with great inner tools for spiritual wealth. NOTE for VLOG: On Stan's scientific introduction to trusting astrology, was statistical data of an astrology data common to successful athletes & if I recall, the physicist Carl Saga was unable to accept; which is the context of Plato's CAVE. Illustrated by being a missionary child & my shunning. I was sent out of the cave to India, where I learned the value of other cultures and religions. Returning to the cave (one of the chain links is excommunication), that awareness challenged the shadow reality created by religious, etc powers. "REASON is the enemy of BELIEF!", NAZI Catholic Historian Joseph Lortz. How did I recognize "WHOLENESS"? Wholeness includes everything. Like walking, once experienced, one knows and if one parts from wholeness knows what to return to. Not the delusion of getting to the top of a mountain and stuck there! Important INNER TOOL: " Chattering Monkeys", just want to be respected by being listened to! Once heard, become satisfied and quiet; which allows the flood of "collective unconscious" insights, void of boredom. WHOLENESS: ... in wholeness the perfection of love, harmony and beauty. The only way of being, United with creation, the spirit of guidance. In wholeness... At 76 yrs, there is a race between my old 2 cars (to stay mobile). With NDEs death isn't a fear, but looking at our world, where are options for reincarnation; which is hell 2.0 🤔. Maybe a rock, that has a very slow metabolism 😊😅. Stan, thank you for being you & part of my journey ❤

  • @further613
    @further613 Месяц назад

    This was so informative. What a trailblazer...inspiring to see someone seeing a need in the community and stepping in to fill it!

  • @russellmillar7132
    @russellmillar7132 Месяц назад

    Some may consider Graham's opinions about ancient art, artifacts, and architecture to be equivalent (or superior) to the interpretations rendered by archaeologists who discovered and excavated these finds. I'm not one of them.

  • @Luduveco
    @Luduveco Месяц назад

    Excellent interview, very timely. Tangentially related, the Australian govt has made $3.8m available for MDMA assisted group therapy for 200 survivors of the 2022 Lismore floods who are suffering from PTSD. It is being run through Southern Cross University and is being viewed as a trial for future post disaster treatment for PTSD sufferers around the world. Crimes against humanity and genocide are generally a whole different order of suffering to natural disasters but, you know, it's a start...

  • @jaderichardson2005
    @jaderichardson2005 Месяц назад

    guys.. it's great you have opened the conversation to the obvious issues and political agendas, but your faith in the 'science' is so naive, and your 'cant be bothered to read all of the arguments' if they don't fit your 'vibe' is weak journalism.

  • @Joylynnfrancis
    @Joylynnfrancis Месяц назад

    I would love someone to answer my question which is one my doctor cannot confidently. I am currently tapering off benzos and looks like it will take several months. I am 61 and don’t want to loose time waiting on my body to recover naturally especially since it has come to my attention that this process can be expedited. Any thoughts from a medical professional? Thank you

    • @PsychedelicsToday
      @PsychedelicsToday Месяц назад

      If your doctor can't answer this question for you, I'd recommend seeking out a new doctor while doing some research yourself, so you're prepared to ask questions and challenge them. I'd generally advise not taking any medical advice from people in comment sections, especially when it comes to tapering off of a (or trying a new) drug.

    • @Joylynnfrancis
      @Joylynnfrancis Месяц назад

      Thank you for that sound advice. 🙏🏼🌻

  • @Lawyerxbri
    @Lawyerxbri Месяц назад

    Thoroughly enjoyed this. I wish Dr. Richards was my grandpa. Thanks!

  • @Joylynnfrancis
    @Joylynnfrancis Месяц назад

    Hi ! Can I do ketamine or mushrooms treatment for anxiety while tapering off Xanax? I’m pretty house bound and would love to change and speed up this healing process. Any thoughts? My doctor is not versed in this approach at all. Thank you

  • @beta447
    @beta447 Месяц назад

    19:15

  • @pheresy1367
    @pheresy1367 Месяц назад

    Kanna has to first become very popular and lucrative to A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE for it to be "safe" from a DEA ban. I'm basing that on Kratom's history in the US. If it weren't for the "Kratom Lobby" pushing back HARD against the government's move to SCHEDULE Kratom, it would already be long gone and forgotten by now.... How easily it got banned in Europe, Canada, and Australia because a critical mass of people never found out about its wonderful healing properties. The DEA routinely looks for compounds, still undiscovered by the public, to ban before it gets popular. Spread the WORD! Just ask Hamilton Morris.

  • @donnac6218
    @donnac6218 Месяц назад

    Omg what a bunch ofo fools

  • @andrewcandela1596
    @andrewcandela1596 Месяц назад

    Hey Joe! 🎸 Great interview, hey I was wondering what you were gonna say about Robert Anton Wilson around the 42 minute mark before you got cut off? If you remember...

  • @cedarskylove4255
    @cedarskylove4255 Месяц назад

    As a veteran with PTSD and CPTSD dealing with chronic pain I too have found that psychedelics especially psilocybin and 5-MeO-DMT has been extremely effective in helping me handle my PTSD I really appreciate this podcast. I am currently looking for the right MDMA therapist who does psychiatric psychotherapy who is a good fit for me as I really desire to finally really go into what is underneath my PTSD and C-PTSD. I truly believe that it is with Veterans with PTSD that we will make any movement towards legalizing psychedelics at a minimum in a therapeutic setting. My deceased husband was EOD (explosive ordinance disposal) who was training for the Air Force special forces. He did para rescue, even did a few jumps with the Seals, and was trainer to be a first responder combat medic. He died 14 and a half years ago from a brain aneurysm due to a large tumor in his brain. I know it was caused by what he did for the Air Force. His death is one of many traumas that I have experienced but in service and out of service. Just wanted to introduce myself and thank you so much for this podcast it hit home.

  • @Joylynnfrancis
    @Joylynnfrancis Месяц назад

    Can you take a micro dose while tapering Xanax? My doctor has no idea. Thank you.

  • @RSEFX
    @RSEFX Месяц назад

    Not sure why you said Kratom is illegal. It only is such in a few states (and Orange County in CA). BUT it is available all over the place fully legally.

  • @Jenny31188
    @Jenny31188 Месяц назад

    Thank you 🙏

  • @ConversationGym
    @ConversationGym Месяц назад

    I'm loving this year's VITAL program so much. And to your point, really appreciate the focus on our personal transformation, along with the education, so that what we offer in the end is coming from a deep authenticity and sense of service. See you in Circle, in our lecture portal, and in person July at the retreat!

  • @andanotherthingwithdave777
    @andanotherthingwithdave777 Месяц назад

    I am studying psychology and want to make pay holiday and pychedelics

  • @Joylynnfrancis
    @Joylynnfrancis 2 месяца назад

    I am tapering off a high dose of Xanax. Can I micro-dose as well to help with my brain? Thanks

  • @howiewhitehouse1202
    @howiewhitehouse1202 2 месяца назад

    It might be a good idea to see if people want your help before assuming they do !

  • @saucythighs
    @saucythighs 2 месяца назад

    28:34 "Antidepressants make you less sad." I wonder if that's because they spawned from an intention to "get rid of" depression. That's the mentality, the state of consciousness, behind the whole industry that created the drugs. We, collectively, weren't coming at it from the wisdom of embracing emotions, of an expanded perspective on life, like what is facilitated through psychedelics. We tried to excise depression, and that's precisely what we did (and no more).

  • @GeordieMilne
    @GeordieMilne 2 месяца назад

    Boahah thought it was a prank >.<

  • @k-k8768
    @k-k8768 2 месяца назад

    ❤ thank you it was very great and educational ❤ very grateful

  • @janbarriault4494
    @janbarriault4494 2 месяца назад

    i'm researching microdosing prior to starting psilocybin for my ms.. improving how i 'feel' would be great... neuroplasitcity could be life altering.. anyone one out there with MS tried this?

  • @outtosea25
    @outtosea25 2 месяца назад

    Without the government supplying the drugs, 110 merely empowered the illegal Hondurans pedaling fent and meth for Mexican cartels and ruined/killed countless people.

  • @outtosea25
    @outtosea25 2 месяца назад

    I've never been the same since I was puddled with thousands of mics of Amber by Tour cats when I was 16. It's not merely visual distortion, it's hypersensitivity to the reality of inevitable death, existential dread and the feeling of being on borrowed time. Life, death - whats the difference? Paradox. Somehow I've adapted and learned to function - albiet very difficult without opioid dependence. All the people off Dead Tour I know who were printed and puddled got strung out - just trying to achieve some peace. I find this whole idea that psychedelics help mental health ridiculous. It's a psychotomimetic, not entheogen.

  • @howiewhitehouse1202
    @howiewhitehouse1202 2 месяца назад

    "Regarding the healing efficacy of psychedelics There are actually two diverse sets' & settings --the Sacred (or holotropic) realm and the Profane (Incomolete or fragmented, dissociated realm. After experiencing a psychedelic, negociating between these two realities is the real challenge of integration !!" Howard S. Whitehouse CMT MA PhD

  • @simonjacobsen2025
    @simonjacobsen2025 2 месяца назад

    Happy bicycle day every one 🎉❤😂. Coffee and Pan Cyan. Before Walking the dog 🙏🐶

  • @artemisXsidecross
    @artemisXsidecross 2 месяца назад

    Lenny Gibson should be featured more often 👍

  • @artemisXsidecross
    @artemisXsidecross 2 месяца назад

    Lenny Gibson, Ph.D. is what I needed to hear and is charming with a great sense of humor. ☮

  • @Skunkhunt_42
    @Skunkhunt_42 2 месяца назад

    Dont forget! Legalize local production. With state and/or supply support without allowing local production will only serve Big Cartel which holds monopoly on stimulant and opioid drugs. Their coke is bad, the meth isnt the same, only one kind of dope on the street. Local production can ensure quality drugs for the community

  • @asemic
    @asemic 2 месяца назад

    only the capitalists have any power in this stuff

  • @Harry10421
    @Harry10421 2 месяца назад

    Fascinating discussion on treating pain with psychedelics. Would love even more details into the REMAP protocol.

  • @NewWorldBorder
    @NewWorldBorder 2 месяца назад

    Thank you for being such a pillar for us at FIU ❤

  • @QigongYogaShamanism
    @QigongYogaShamanism 2 месяца назад

    Ryan, good work educating the masses.

  • @brettgreen853
    @brettgreen853 2 месяца назад

    5-meo-DMT is the Cadillac of the Triptymine. Its little cousin N,N Dimethyltryptamine is the Porche model. Both extremely classy, and a step above your average LSD, unless you are ingesting Sandoz, Owsley, or Nicki Sands finished product. Everything else is mid-tier, although i have never had anything by pickard, shulgin, or one or two others in that circle. We have been blessed to have been able to test and take the sacrament ourselves and with people we care sbout to traverse the unknown.